Well, my favorite thing about podcasting people, which you have done through this podcast you did for a little time, is just people are full of layers, right?

Like, we're just multi-dimensional beings, which is why we're in this field that we're in, because we learned layer upon layer of ourselves.

We're healing ourselves.

And we get to explore that with podcasts.

And I feel like you're totally

that person you have layers Ethan yeah and I'm so excited to get to know you through this

I'm Emily Strom the ultimate meathead hippie welcome to the show

Aloha and thank you for coming back to Meathead Hippie or joining us for the first time.

I'm your host, Emily Schram, and I am so grateful for this van.

If you missed the last couple episodes, I have taken Meathead Hippie on the road.

And now I have a Meathead Hippie on the road and now I have a meathead

hippie mobile I don't quite have a official name for her yet but it is so fun to be in

van life way more fun than I thought like I knew it would be fun but you just don't know

until you do and now you do and then you're like holy shit this is so is so rad. So, so stoked about that. Griff is handling the

drives quite well. I'm very impressed with his ability to be so mobile as a mobile cat, which is

kind of rare to find. So thank you, Gryffindor Hemming away. And I just am loving the interviews

that are happening. There's lots in store

for you about conversation around food and wellness and nutrition. But today is focused on

plants versus pills. And this is a big conversation that I was just so grateful to have with Ethan. Ethan owns Mind Right

Wellness, which is a store right in Columbia, Missouri, right by the last podcast I had with

Nourished Cafe and Market. And Ethan Jones just opens up so much about his story with addiction

and his story with how cratom this plant that we'll talk about,

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