Hi Stella.

Hello there Sasha, how are you?

I'm well, so today's interview with January Little John was really, really good.

Yeah, I've been watching January over the years and when she arrived, she first of all arrived kind of in a newspaper as far as I remember and she was suing her school.

They had socially transitioned to her kid and at the time I thought wow the world has been waiting for this

a parent to stand up to the school and say you've no right to do that you know right to

take away my power and what a lovely model of an authoritative parent she is.

Like she's strong in her role as the mother.

It's a phenomenal conversation.

She's a very, very, very impressive woman.

Yeah, and what's really interesting too that this is a point

I don't hear people making a lot is that she said,

you know, there's this

misconception that because my daughter desisted she must have been not really that

bought in or she must have been very pliable I guess to her parenting but she

said it was held the whole way through and so she

tells us a little bit about that of how her daughter went from this joyful

kid who as she says radiated joy to being very very dark hating herself going to this really bad mental health spiral and how she was so fixated on gender and started talking about puberty blockers and surgery and

January had this kind of series of little realizations that something was

very wrong with the school which of course led to the culmination and the lawsuit that you mentioned.

She's a woman of action January so when she saw it she clearly had some really

really terrible kind of experiences with when the kid was kind of you know going

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