Good Day Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners.

And as always, thank you so much for listening.

This week, it's our annual 4th of July show.

Yes, we're featuring our friend Joseph Ellis,

who is now in an undisclosed location in Vermont.

He's been there since the pandemic began.

It's given him some leisure that he normally does not have in his very busy life as a scholar and historian and

He's given us the opportunity to interview him on a number of occasions and our listeners just love the

not only his insights and his mastery of American history but but the way he beats up on me in the program.

And so that's always a great joy to be able to get into a playful combat with this most extraordinary

historian Joseph Ellis.

It really has been great fun to be able to spend so much time

with Professor Ellis on the show

and to maybe expose more listeners to he and his work.

There's a couple of things that he's said on this program,

the one that really stuck with me.

I can't remember, I think you initiated that conversation conversation but talk to him about how he wrote

you joke about how he's got a book out on just about everything and it's a fact too

but he said if you're uh... i'm sure you'll remember But he said, if you, I'm sure you'll remember this, he said, I work very hard.

He's talking about his writing. He said, I work very hard to make it look easy.

And he does, you know, you can read his books. hard to make it look easy.

And he does, you can read his books,

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