#1398 The Indispensable Man
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🗓️ 7 July 2020
⏱️ 58 minutes
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This week in an interesting debate match, Clay Jenkinson and Joseph Ellis argue over who is the "Indispensable Man" of the American Revolution. Ellis argues for George Washington, while Jenkinson says it has to be Jefferson. A very wise listener suggests that they are both wrong: it's Benjamin Franklin.
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| 0:00.0 | Good Day Thomas Jefferson Hour Podcast listeners and as always thank you for listening. |
| 0:06.7 | We're so pleased to have you aboard. We love what we get to do. We take no money for it |
| 0:11.3 | but whatever contributions you make help keep the program afloat. |
| 0:16.6 | We have 60 some stations around the country and tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands |
| 0:22.1 | of listeners in our podcast edition of the program. |
| 0:25.4 | A couple of quick announcements, one is that the Cuba trip is on for the 19th through the 27th of February, |
| 0:31.4 | 2021. |
| 0:32.8 | So a second annual trip to Cuba, |
| 0:34.8 | which was just one of the great journeys of my life. |
| 0:37.6 | 19 through 27 February 2021, you can sign up now. |
| 0:41.2 | And our third Steinbeck in Monterrey journey is March 15th through 21st next year |
| 0:48.8 | 2021. |
| 0:49.8 | So we've done that twice before. |
| 0:51.0 | This time we're adding a Bakersfield, Central Valley, |
| 0:54.0 | weed patch, grapes of wrath, excursion to the trip, but it'll be the third time we |
| 1:00.0 | have examined the world of John Steinbeck with my friend Russ Eagle who's emerged as a serious Steinbeck scholar. |
| 1:09.2 | He's writing a book on Steinbeck's novel, Cannery Row, and he is a co-host of this journey. |
| 1:17.2 | I can't wait for both of them February 19th through 27th in Cuba and then |
| 1:21.2 | Monterrey 15 through 21 March and then of course the Summer |
| 1:25.2 | Lewis and Clark trip which hasn't been scheduled for dates yet but it'll be in |
| 1:29.2 | late July 2021 and these things fill fast We have waiting lists for all of them now so sign up |
| 1:36.0 | quickly. By then the world will be back open and we will all be eager to |
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