Welcome to How Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learnings so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about.

My guest today is Gil Hans,

one of the world's most sought after golf architects. In fact, if you watch the United States open this weekend, you're going to see the gorgeous renovation he did on the North

Course of Los Angeles Country Club. But even if you're not a golf fan, you can learn a lot

when you really dig into the creative process behind these golf course designs. It takes a big,

bold vision. But to make that vision a reality, it takes an incredible attention to detail as well.

And listen, whether you're trying to build a golf course or build a business, the vision

and the details matter.

When you listen to this conversation with Gil, you're going to learn how to prioritize

details and quality execution so you can see your big plans turn into reality too.

So here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours. so you can see your big plans turn into reality too.

So here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours, Gil Hans.

You know, Gil, I've had a lot of fun playing golf with you at National Golf Links the past few years, but I want to congratulate you because I understand recently, I think it was back in January,

you had your first official hole in one.

You got to tell us the story.

Yeah, we have a little inside joke on that.

I've had a few on par three holes, but my partner, Jim Wagner, says those don't count.

So even though I know I teed it up and it went in the hole and I bought drinks, but the real,

the first legit one was at our new club we designed out in the desert called Lederra Golf Club

for Irvinge-Azoff and Eddie Q. And we were out there playing the opening round of golf.

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