Welcome to How Leaders Lead. I'm Kula Callahan, here to bring you another edition of three more questions with David Novak.

David, we've got a fun one today. I'm excited to dive into our conversation.

Well, you know, Kula, both you and I love golf. And today we're discussing a great conversation that I had with Gil Hans,

the world-renowned golf course architect, and the architect behind the renovation of the Los Angeles Country Club, where the

123rd U.S. Open was played last weekend.

And we're recording this before the tournament has been played, so I have no idea what

happened.

But I sure

hope my friend John Rom picked up a second U.S. Open. That would be so cool. You know, when he

won the Masters, he was the only European to ever win the Masters and the U.S. Open. And it'd be

really great to see him have two of those. And I hope he gets a lot more

green jackets, too. Well, you know, the interesting thing about John Rom, David, is that he is a real

history buff and has a deep appreciation for the history of the game and does his best to honor

that in many ways how Gilhance does it as well. And I'm excited to get into a little more of that

as we dive into today's questions.

Okay, question number one. Gil says that the favorite part of his job is being on the bulldozer.

There are a lot of golf architects who will, you know, create the plans

and hand them over to someone else to execute, but Gil is in the details on purpose. David,

what's the value in that for leaders? Because I imagine for a lot of folks, it's maybe not possible

to be in the details of their business. But why should people do that?

You know, cool, every business is different, but I've never seen a successful leader in be in the details of their business. But why should people do that?

You know, cool, every business is different, but I've never seen a successful leader who couldn't dive into the details of the business and didn't really understand how things happen, how

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