When I retire, if I'm looking at the stock part, and I, you know, like everyone else,

and I was like, okay, I didn't like it. I didn't want to get to retirement and then what

if the market, you know, it crashes or goes down, but then I'm pulling from the principal.

And my thought was real estate, again, is the sleep at night thing for me.

If I own property, people have to live somewhere.

They're going to pay me rent.

In my goal, of course, I've got five years until I retire.

My goal was this.

I want to make more in retirement than I make right now.

Welcome to the real estate and financial independence podcast.

My name is Chad Carson.

You can call me coach.

And this is a podcast all about investing in real estate, achieving financial independence,

and doing more of what matters.

Hi, everyone, whether you're a brand new listener or you're coming back for a repeat, I really appreciate you being here. It's always great to have you listening. Today's episode is called

how a 59-year-old teacher grew from a house hack to 13 properties. So this is an interview

episode. I interviewed one of my students in

my real estate start school class named Paul Zimmer Ebner. He lives in Boise, Idaho. He teaches

ninth grade, teaches critical thinking, used to teach English. Also gets to teach some budgeting and

different things, which I found fascinating. So we talked a little bit about that. But we talked about

his story of starting midlife, really. He's in his mid-50s. He's 59 now. So it's about four and a half

years ago. He began his real estate investing journey. And we talked about what motivated him,

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