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What's happened there? There was no else in the office. Everyone's on holiday. Right. Okay.

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Welcome to the Running Channel podcast with me, Andy Badley,

sitting to my left, Sarah Hartley,

and just over there, grinning from ear to ear

because he gets to flex his journalistic muscle,

the only kind of muscle he has this week.

It's Rick Kelsey. I was wondering where that was going. Yes. And you know that I love a debate. Yes. And there is no bigger debate than this. It is doping in running. And we have a great guest. Yeah. So you're getting rid of me for this episode, which I'm just about okay with. but you are replacing me with someone who is so knowledgeable in this.

So you're both going to be chatting to the Guardian's chief sports reporter, Sean Ingle, and he's joining you as I get booted out. How do you feel about that? I feel okay. I mean, I've got the first bit of the podcast. You're not getting rid of me quite yet. We've still got the catch up. We still need to talk about your challenge. We still just talk about the extra episode that we recorded this week. What about him? He did something. Oh, and Andy ran a half-marathon. Was it a half-marathon? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, we should give a little bit of preamble. Sean is an incredible journalist. He's been covering running and multiple other sports

and doping for probably over 25 years. I've got my own take on my experience of doping in the

elite running world. And Rick's interviewed the last 10 prime ministers. As always, he will provide

all the knowledge you will need. Let's get into it.

Now, don't put yourself down, Sarah, because Andy may have run a half marathon in Nottinghamshire.

I may be training for a 5KPB, but you also ran quickly.

Yes, I wanted to say.

You're very cross that we weren't going to talk about you, so you've shown this in. Yeah, Owen's written the notes here for the episode, and Rick gets to talk about his 5K, Andy talks about his half marathon. Sarah, what does Sarah do? Sarah leaves for the whole episode. So this week, I ticked off a bucket list goal of mine since moving out from London into Hertfordshire. I ran the entire... Coming to my house for... I thought it was going to be

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