Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we probe the gender landscape within contemporary culture.

And we consider the implications of prioritizing personal identity over other aspects of the self.

This is the thinking person's take on gender.

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

We're here today, Stella, to talk about the bigger picture conference in Denver in November, the 4th and 5th of November.

Yeah, it's very exciting.

It's very, it's a big, big deal for Genspect.

So we had a conference in Killarney in Little Ireland in April and it was lovely. It was a very, very heartening experience.

Experts from all sorts of different realms came together to talk about gender. So you know there was people like

Helen Joyce talking about you know the cultural aspect, it was my first state or talking about

the legal, but then we had people like Michael Biggs talking about the stats and Ken Zucker and you

me and you did a lovely a great I thought a great podcast and so we're doing the very same thing but

bringing it to America.

And the idea is W. Path have long had this idea of no debate.

I shouldn't say W.P. W.P.

Supporters have been very much, and arguably the activists more than anything

have had this idea that there is no debate to be had about people that we believe

are in extreme mental distress and would benefit from debate.

Pushing on from that there's also a huge cultural war that seems to have gone on

where people aren't able to kind of just discuss pretty important issues such as whether schools should

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