So hello, everybody. I'm very excited to be here with Rod Dreher. Rod Dreher is a best-selling author. He just

finished, he just published a book called Live Not Live Not by Lies. And he is also the author,

the bestselling author, The Benedict Option, which many of you might have heard of. He's also written

several other books. Rod and I have had some conversations before, and I was really

excited to read his new book because I feel like it just puts its finger right on the right

place in terms of the cultural discussion, the cultural war, and also a vision of what is coming

towards the future.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

And so, Rod, I have to say, I was really happy to read the book.

We've had some conversations a little bit before about your plan for this book.

And I was really happy to see how it came out.

You know, people don't know this about me,

but my wife is from Slovakia and she immigrated when she was 11. Her parents left the communist regime there. And her own grandfather, who was actually in from Prague, was tortured to death in

the in communist prisons. He was just a shop owner that fell you know fell

into the wrong graft and was brought into a was tortured in prison and left was was released

just before he died so that they wouldn't have his body to deal with and and so the see people

tell this story and to help us understand how close it is in history,

but all close it is even on the horizon of our,

of our possibilities,

that something like this could happen to us again.

For me,

I was really grateful to see it.

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