I create content because there's people out there who need the help.

If you imagine you're on like a boat and you see somebody drowning, they need your help.

Would you ever tell that person who you could literally just reach over and go,

you know, hey, I'd love to help you, but I'm not, you know, an extrovert.

No, you wouldn't say that.

Or hey, I'd love to help you, but I've never done this before, right?

Or hey, I'd love to help you you but I'm going to wait until my

audience is a little bigger. You help that person because they're there. I'm going to do. Welcome to the future podcast, a show that explores the interesting overlap between design,

marketing and business. I'm Greg Gunn. Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth. I love that quote from Mike Tyson.

It encapsulates life so perfectly well. You can do everything right, even go above and beyond, and still be a fantastic failure.

But as they like to say, failure is inevitable.

It's what you do with it that really matters.

Our guest today is an acclaimed podcaster, author, entrepreneur, and

Pokemon card collector.

Yes, I just said Pokemon.

And growing up, he did everything right, got the perfect grades, the perfect dream job, and then was laid off. But that crushing defeat was the catalyst to his success to come. You could even say that getting laid off was the best thing that ever happened to him.

Now, you might already listen to his show, Smart Passive passive income or have even read his book

Super Fans but if you're not familiar with his work then you my friend are in for a real treat

I'm super excited to finally have them on our show so without any further delay

please enjoy our conversation with Pat Flynn. Okay so first up I want to say for doing this. I've known about you for a really long time.

I can't remember how many people in the, over the past several years who've mentioned,

have you, do you know about Pat Flynn? Have you checked out? I'm like, God, I can't escape Pat. He's like everywhere.

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