1313: The History of Rumors of Satanic Abuse - Dr. David Frankfurter Pt. 2

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 14 May 2020

⏱️ 62 minutes

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As part of a multi-part series on claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse within Mormonism, today we are interviewing Dr. David Frankfurter - author of "Evil Incarnate: Rumors of Demonic Conspiracy and Satanic Abuse in History."

David Frankfurter holds the William Goodwin Aurelio Chair of the Appreciation of Scripture at Boston University. He joined the faculty of B.U. in the fall of 2010. A scholar of ancient Mediterranean religions with specialties in Jewish and Christian apocalyptic literature, magical texts, popular religion, and Egypt in the Roman and late antique periods, Frankfurter’s particular interests revolve around theoretical issues like the place of magic in religion, the relationship of religion and violence, the nature of Christianization, and the representation of evil in culture.

After earning his B.A. in Religion from Wesleyan University, M.T.S. from Harvard Divinity School, and M.A./Ph.D. from Princeton University, Frankfurter taught at the College of Charleston and the University of New Hampshire, and he held fellowships at the Institute for Advanced Study (1993-95) and the Radcliffe Institute of Advanced Study (2007-8), as well as research grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities (1992) and the Guggenheim Foundation (2007-8).

A HUGE thank you to Rick Phillips for making this episode possible.

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0:00.0	One, two, three.
0:03.0	Come, come, you saints, no toil nor labor fear.
0:28.0	But with joy, when you're way.
0:34.0	Okay, so starting from this release of the book, Michelle Remembers, in 1980, how does this grow into a national phenomenon?
0:44.0	Well, I think there are a lot of basis.
0:50.0	I would say that an interest in hypnotism and dissociation in the 1980s made it very kind of not chic but popular to have people investigating what lies inside their patients to and pulling out.
1:12.0	And so, I think that's how it's about quote unquote memories.
1:18.0	Right.
1:19.0	And by the way, there's that civil movie that Sally Field starred in.
1:24.0	Yeah, that was a role too.
1:26.0	When did that come out?
1:28.0	That would be.
1:31.0	I'm looking it up right now.
1:33.0	And this idea of multiple personalities launches into the public zeitgeist, you know, late 60s, early 70s.
1:44.0	And then starts festering over the next 10 years.
1:47.0	And I'm sure psychology then becomes fascinated as they often do with trends with like understanding multiple personalities.
1:53.0	So that starts to really get going hot in the early 80s.
1:57.0	Right.
1:59.0	So I would say it's dialectical between the patients who present graphic forms of sexual abuse to certain therapists in the beginning.
2:11.0	Then the therapists perhaps influenced by conservative Christianity or by dissociation or by reading in the history of evil or something like that begin to put their patients experiences together.
2:26.0	And then cycling it back into their treatments.
2:30.0	Some of the patients certainly come out of conservative Christian or Catholic traditions and can imagine as fantasy,
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