One, two, three.

Come, come, you saints, no toil nor labor fear.

But with joy, when you're way.

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Mormon Stories podcast.

I'm your host, Dr. John Dillin, it is July 31st, 2019.

And I am excited to be bringing to you another episode of Mormon Stories podcast in a multi-part series on the history of the world.

The history of the long history of reports of satanic ritual abuse within Mormonism.

For those of you who have not heard my introduction, I want to encourage you to go listen to it.

I spent about 40 minutes giving an introduction to this topic.

There's a lot of history and nuance and sensitivity that we discussed in that introduction.

And it's kind of important stuff.

So please check that out if you're able and willing.

But this is the next part.

I'm not sure in that first part, I mentioned and referenced the Glen Pace memo that we're going to reference in this episode.

And I'm not sure whether this episode is going to appear after or before I discuss the Glen Pace memo.

So I'm just going to address that right up front.

Regardless, we are so excited today to have with us our guest.

And before I introduce our wonderful guest, Dr. David Frankfurt,

I'm going to just give a little bit of a background to those who haven't listened to anything so far and who are disobedient in my request to hear the context.

For many, many decades, starting in the 80s, at least, there have been a significant number of reports of satanic ritual abuse within Mormonism within Mormon culture.

And in the first episode, I give my long history of experiences hearing about these reports.

And we also referenced the fact that around late 80s, early 90s, reports became so common and so frequent that Glen Pace, who was serving in the presiding bishopric of the Mormon church as a general authority at the time,

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