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Bad People

13. Piggy's Palace 1: Why are witnesses reluctant?

Bad People

BBC

True Crime

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2020

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Over 60 sex workers go missing in Vancouver. Robert Pickton is a pig farmer. There are stories of bloodied women's clothes on his farm and even a dead body hanging in a barn. But this isn’t enough for the police to search his property. Could he be to blame? On this episode of Bad People, presenters Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss research on why people don’t always tell the truth and often retract police statements. This case is broken into two episodes. This is part one. Warning: This episode contains strong language and references to sexual violence and murder. Presenters: Dr. Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producers: Paula McGrath and Caroline Steel Assistant Producer: Simona Rata Music: Matt Chandler Series Editor: Rami Tzabar Commissioning Producer: Hannah Rose Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Commissioning Editor: Jason Phipps Bad People is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds #BadPeople_BBC

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0:31.4

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0:37.0

Selfy, Julia.

0:39.0

Have you ever told a lie to protect a friend?

0:42.0

Oh yeah, I've covered for people at work and what about you?

0:45.6

Yeah I definitely have the amount of people who have cheated on their partners.

0:50.4

Everyone feels like they can just like tell me about their cheating because I'm I think monogamy doesn't make any sense. on their

0:52.8

cheating because I'm I think monogamy doesn't make any sense and so I think

0:55.9

because people know this about well my friends know this about me they come to me

1:00.1

then when they are non monogamous but as I like to say, I think that consensual

1:05.3

non-monogamy is fine, but non-consensual non-monogamy is still just cheating.

1:09.6

And I think it's nice that my friends feel comfortable telling me these things but it does mean that I end up

1:13.2

having to at least lie by omission by never telling their partners and it is such a weird situation.

1:18.7

But lying by omission means you're choosing not to tell the other person but what if the person came to you and said,

1:24.2

what do you know?

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