Hello, hello Patrick here. We've got something a little bit different this week.

A few months ago when life was, let's just call it normal, Ben had a chance to sit

down with Jason Calipa down at Wata Paloza and they recorded an episode for

Jason's podcast which is called The Business of Fitness. Jason and the crew

there were kind enough to send over the interview and we wanted to play it here

for your enjoyment. We'll be back next week with a regular episode. I hope you're

all doing well. I hope you're all staying safe and I hope you're all staying sane.

Bye. We are here because we know the outcomes in our lives are within our

control. That taking absolute ownership of how we eat, sleep, train, think and

connect with each other is how we'll optimize our health and happiness. That

chasing excellence is how we grab hold of what is possible. Our mission is to

live on the run. Always chasing. Never stop. All right everybody and welcome back to

our episode of The Business of Fitness Podcast. I'm Jason Cleapin on today's

episode. We have Ben Burjran. Now this episode is long overdue. Ben and I have known

each other for years and years and years as he developed CrossFit New England.

We started developing previously NorCal Cross which is now NC Fit and over the

years there's been this a lot of mutual respect and we've both expanded and

multiple different verticals with our businesses and we've learned a lot and we

talk about that today. The highs and lows he dives into a variety of different

subjects that I think we're extremely powerful. What he's seen in the industry

please note this will not be the last time Ben and I talk on this subject because

I think as an industry when he continued collaborating, discussing and raising

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