I take things to their extreme logical conclusion and then it becomes very clear to me what has to happen.

So if I am seeing it here sobbing like a child, if I give up on my dreams, if I don't get focused on my portfolio,

I return home, totally defeated, mission unaccomplished, that work my way into getting a state school,

I could be good, above average, at a place where average people go and then

the rest of my life is written and that's not a life I want to have. The Welcome to the future podcast, a show that explores the interesting overlap between

creativity, business, and personal development.

I'm Greg Gunn.

If you're a regular listener of the show,

then you know our format.

Chris talks with an interesting guest

while carefully poking and prodding them with questions,

all in hopes of learning as much about their experience as humanly possible.

But today, we're flipping everything on its head.

In this two-part series, the roles are reversed.

Our guest and future pro-group member Annaly Hansen will be interviewing Chris.

So think of it like a deep dive into the mind of Mr. Doe, the person, the businessman, and the educator.

In part one, we get to hear Chris's origin story about how an introverted refugee became the conflict. is especially when you haven't walked in their shoes.

And this episode is probably the closest you can get to wearing Chris's sneakers.

Chris hears very personal stories about his family fleeing Saigon, living life as a cultural outsider,

and why it's so important to have and to follow your own internal compass.

Now there are some violent moments in his story,

so skip ahead if you think that stuff might bother you.

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