Like a society shouldn't we come together and say, don't do this.

These are bad health outcomes, whether you're gay or straight.

Don't do this.

We can encourage one thing.

And we can discourage.

No, it's a very easy thing.

What do you think the studies say about fulfillment for people?

I don't care. We should chop people's peepees off.

Well, we're going on to the Council of Trent. Today, my guest is Kaye Bradley. He goes by the handle

Gay X-Trad, right? Yeah, that's the actual at and then my name on all the platforms is

Kate Bradley. Cade Bradley. But goes by the moniker Gay-X-Trad. We're going to get into the history of that. He's been on Jubilee a few times. He's had dialogues at a dialogue with my colleague Joe Heschmire, talking about religion, sexual ethics, and we're just going to have a chat about that today. And this was also recorded, by the way, before my conference. This is actually the day before, and you're,

you're stopping by, right? Indeed. I'll be there all day. Dude, I'm excited. Yeah, it'll be fun. Oh, yeah. Because the goal of the conference, really, anybody could come and feel at home, because the theme is just online evangelism. Like, how do we do it right? How do we do it? And I always think when I go to conferences, I always have in my mind when I give a talk to assume not everybody

there is Catholic or Christian.

Like if you assume that, it's so awkward when somebody who is not Catholic or not Christian like yourself, because you're identified as an atheist, correct?

Yeah.

It's super awkward.

You're bashing these people and they go up later.

What do you think of the talk? Well, I'm one of the people you were ripping on. I don't know if that has ever happened to you. Yeah. I've been at conferences both with people that I agree with and disagree with. And there's times where it's like, man, I don't think you've ever tried that talking point to someone who doesn't already agree with you.

And I think online we sort of get this feedback, which is like, oh, I'm doing well because there's views, but I know people who get a ton of views, and they're the most off-putting people on planet Earth. Yeah. And those talking points never work with an average person. But online, it can seem like, oh, this is a great talking point. Yeah. It reminds me, uh, because I do Brazilian jiu-jitsu and a little bit of moitai, so I enjoy grappling, M.A, that kind of stuff. It reminds me that there's two kinds of MMA or fighters. There will be people who will demonstrate cool moves online. And I think to myself, you've never been in a real fight with someone.

Yeah. Like, they'll be like, all you have to do is just when they have the knife of this, just there you go. Yeah. I'm like, that would never work in a real fight. You will get stabbed and you will die. And then there's people I see who will demonstrate, here's what you should do in an interaction. and I can see it, I'm like, oh, wow, they've been like a thousand fights.

They actually know what they're talking about.

And I can see it. I'm like, oh, wow, they've been like a thousand fights.

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