Joining us on the line is Trent Horn. He is a staff apologist for Catholic answers, and he serves as the host of the Council of Trent. He's authored a bunch of books, co-authored over a dozen. And of course, he has master's degrees in a wide variety of fields, theology, philosophy, bioethics. Trent, thanks so much for taking the time. Really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on again, Ben.

So let's discuss, you know, from a Catholic perspective, where is it fine for people to criticize the Pope and where is it not fine for people to criticize the Pope?

Obviously, he's in a bit of a war of words with President Trump right now.

Pope's frequently sound off on matters political because the crossover between the spiritual and temporal is not a bright line.

And if you're speaking on matters of morality, that will have consequences for politics.

Where is it fair to say, I just disagree with the Pope.

I think that he's wrong on a subject.

Yeah, I think it's important for people to remember that the Pope, that papal infallibility is a

doctrine that only applies to a limit of extremely limited number of

things that the pope says and hasn't been invoked by recent popes except in things like the canonization

of saints otherwise Catholics are to give the religious submission of mind and will to when the

pope teaches doctrine says this is a teaching of the faith

that the faithful are to hold. But in many other cases, what we have are prudential judgments.

And prudential judgments relate to the virtue of prudence. How do we use reason to get to the good?

Many times we can try to aim at the good. But as you know, Ben, when liberals try to aim for the good, we often have

the law of unintended consequences. Well, we want to get rid of poverty. So let's raise the minimum wage

to $50 an hour. Well, you're trying to do good, but it's very imprudent. You're not getting to the good.

You're not using reason to get there. So the pope and the bishops can offer prudential judgments

to say, here's what we can do to get to peace

and flourishing for human beings.

And other people in different fields and social sciences

can offer respectful disagreement of that.

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