Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to Realignment.

The publics get to 2017. They haven't done the hard work because it would have been hard.

You know, it would have been complicated. They would have had to do something of a effect

that will have this party like thinks the welfare state should like be blown out of existence.

Half the party is like, oh, you know, maybe we should keep some parts because my constituents

like it. And like there was part of the party that frankly just didn't care. There's

a general I have quotes from Republicans like, publics don't do healthcare. They don't

care about healthcare. And that's like not me. That's like former Republican staffers

saying that. And and then meanwhile, the whole time you have Republicans promising this

great alternative, especially Trump.

Our last two shows focused on China and the US in the future. And China and the US during

Obama Trump and Biden administrations. We are going to take a complete pivot focus entirely

on the opposite end of the policy and politics spectrum and focus on Obamacare. We brought

Jonathan Cone of the Huffington Post to talk about his new book, The Ten-Year War Obamacare

and the unfinished crusade for universal coverage. Now, it seems like a show that's doing everything

from covering nuclear war of China to covering Obamacare is being a little too ambitious. But

here's why this story really matters was Jonathan gets to in the book, which we highly recommend,

go to our bookshop of course. And then also in this interview, Obamacare was the defining

political issue of the 2010s when it came to politics and policy. Why was it that President

Obama lost control of the House in 2010? Obamacare. Why did Democrats transition from a party

but had a lot of conservatives in the South and in the Midwest and states like Nebraska?

Obamacare. Why did Mitch McConnell become one of the defining figures of opposition during

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