Marsha and Saga here welcome back to the Realignment.

I tried my best to be an honest broker, okay?

Because I knew that no matter what I wrote, it would be a tag file aside.

And the book is a war-checked text.

And the China-engager's think it's still hawkish.

And the down with CCP people think it's too adabish.

And you know, there's criticism of that and there's some praise of that.

And that messes with people's mind.

Last week we brought Admiral James Stavritis on to discuss his book,

2034, a novel of the next four boards.

A cautionary tale of how the current negative trajectory of US-China relations

could lead to a disaster in the 2030s.

We got more positive feedback on that episode than we got on anything in a long, long time.

So because that was a novel, because it's a tale looking into the future,

we wanted to bring you an episode today that is all about what is happening right now.

So we brought Washington Post columnist Josh Rogan on to discuss his new book,

Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, Xi, and the battle for the 21st century.

Josh has done something which is incredibly difficult here,

which is that he has taken a current affairs reported book,

actually told the story of the Trump administration,

its relationship to China, how it was a paradigm shift,

while being able to capture the strategic reasons and societal reasons

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