I'm not pulling in my driveway.

We all know what that means.

It's time for another drive-to-work at-home edition.

So today I have Dave Humphreys with me, who is the lead set designer of Outlaws of Thunder Junction.

So hey, Dave.

Howdy.

Okay, so I already did a podcast where I talked through the vision design, which you should go listen to if you haven't yet.

This is going to assume you've already heard that.

Okay, so what we're doing today is we're going to talk about where we handed things off from vision to set and then talk about the challenges of making that in set design.

Okay?

Yep.

Okay, so let's start with committing crimes. So let me tell the audience where we started,

what we handed off. So what we handed off to you was whenever you target deal damage or

destroy one of your, your opponent or one of their things, that's committing a crime.

And obviously, the printed version just as targeting, it doesn't do damage or destruction.

We want to talk a little bit.

I talked a little bit about why we didn't do destruction in my vision podcast, but what were

the challenges of trying to make a broader version of crimes?

Yeah, I think a lot of it came down to rules stuff.

I'm fuzzy on some of the details.

But for example, like caring about destroying stuff, I think there's some murkiness on whether

like you destroy things or like kind of the rules of magic clean up and destroy things and it gets

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