I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work at home edition.

So obviously I like to do interviews when I'm at home. So today I have Mark Gottlieb to talk all about puzzles.

So Murs at Carlyle of Manor has a master puzzle, I mean multiple puzzles built into it.

And we're going to talk all about making puzzles.

Hey, Mark.

Hello, Mark.

So, let's start, I want to give the audience, I know this, but the audience does.

Let's talk a little bit about your puzzle making background.

You know, because obviously, this is not something new for you.

So talk a little bit about, I just want to get you sort of your your puzzle history oh man how much time do you have

uh I I've been a puzzle aficionado uh my entire life um I mean even when I was a kid I would

towed around like one of those giant books of puzzles.

Like my grandmother got me and just always had my head in a puzzle.

And at a certain point, I'm like, I've solved, I know how to solve all the puzzles.

I guess the next step is to start making puzzles.

But even when, God, even when I was a kid, I remember, like, writing a crossword puzzle and handing it out to, like, my fifth grade class.

So in my professional career, I have been a staff member at Games Magazine.

I've done freelance puzzle writing and puzzle editing.

I've had a couple of crossword puzzles published in the New York Times.

I have been heavily involved in writing five MIT mystery hunts.

You and I together, like we wrote puzzles together, back around when I first started at Wizards of the Coast,

you and I were on a team together where we wrote puzzles

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