Saga and Marshall here, welcome back to The Realignment.

So what you need for dramatic change, then is a man or a woman of real ambition, right?

Like someone who's like, I don't want to just be in office. I want to be in the history books.

I want to transform something about this country or preserve something about it.

That is where you get these promiscuous, ideologically promiscuous figures, like Ted

Eros about, like Winston Churchill.

Yeah.

Him and Yom Akron might be one of these people.

I think he's going to fail, but he is showing you that he has ambition.

This week we're excited to welcome Michael Brendan D'Arty to the podcast.

Michael is a senior writer at National Review.

He's a visiting fellow for social, cultural, constitutional studies division at the American

Enterprise Institute, author of my father, Left Me Ireland.

But most importantly for the purposes of our show, he recently appeared on Friend of the

Show Jane Coastans new podcast, the argument over at The New York Times.

Michael had really interesting analysis about what the future of right wing populism might be.

Whether right wing populism itself is a thing.

He comes away with conclusions that I don't think anyone will be 100% satisfied with,

which is exactly how I like it.

He's one of the most honest, good faith people within the conservative movement,

and I hope that his voice can only be elevated even more.

What I appreciate most about Michael is the fact that he is coming to these debates without

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