You know, anyone can make up a story about a young lesbian who comes out and finds out that

her dad is gay and then he kills himself.

But it doesn't, to me the story doesn't really have the power unless you understand that it really happened.

It gets better because it has to get better.

We're all made of human.

Hello and welcome to our little birthday present for you. This is Allison Bechtel in conversation with

Sophie Hagen. Now this is a special episode in a lot of ways. It's not like a usual made-of-human podcast episode because this is more an interview than a chat and this was recorded originally for the Young Vic Theater podcast. I then asked if I could also

release it through my channels because I wanted as many people as many people as

possible to listen to it. Again I have a busy London Road as the background music for this

introduction because I'm not closing my window because it's hot and on the day that

I recorded this with Allison Beckdale it was hot as well. We were recording this in basically a closet, like a

soundproof, a windowless closet. And it was so hot. It was so hot, we had to take several breaks. We had to turn off the lights in case

the light bulb made it slightly warmer. We were both sweating from every single orifice it was and it's and that

so that was one thing that was a tiny bit distracting for obviously for both of

us at the same time Allison had just arrived it

distracting for obviously both of us. At the same time Allison had just arrived from America and she was

quite jet-lagged and at the same time we were talking about Fun Home which is currently at the young Vic in London

which you must go and see immediately. It's absolutely phenomenal and I had just seen it

for the first time. I had only known that it existed for a couple of days, whereas Allison wrote the book that it's based on over a decade ago, and she's had to do interviews about this play for that whole decade.

So she was jet lag, she was hot, she was tired and she had already spoken about this a million times.

So it was, by all means, like a tricky interview for both of us to do.

But she said things that I thought my listeners will absolutely adore that

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