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filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other

insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to two point seven million.

I had no money when I started the company.

It was a hundred and sixty million dollars which is the size of any IPOs.

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I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode.

Hello, everybody.

My guest's name today is Sean Schroeder.

He's the chief commercial officer of Blue River

and co-founder

of the mural digital experience platform. A former front and developer and designer, he's been on a

mission to simplify and enrich lives by helping others find flow long before he knew it was a thing.

Sean, are you ready to take us to the top? I am. Thanks for having me, Nathan. You bet. Okay,

what do you mean flow? Flow. So flow is a concept that was created by, or I guess, formalized by a happiness researcher and psychologist, Mahaly, Cheek, sent me high.

Basically, it breaks down to the source of human happiness as he has discovered it is found through doing meaningful

things in our lives. So whether it's doing something that people will often refer to where they

find flow is, I'll refer to the athletes find it doing certain things, when you can eliminate

distractions, when you can know what your clear

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