This re-release is part of a retrospective celebrating 10 years of a gay and non-gay

and the big conversations that helped change our world. Coming up. And then you're trying to give me this little ointment to take in my drink. An ointment? Yeah, he said, if I drink this, then eventually I'd be cured. With hindsight, I kind of wish I'd got it now. Sampled it. See what it. See what it. Maybe it was poppers.

Could have been poppers, babe.

A gay and non-gay is a podcast from James Barr and Dan. I kind of wish I got it now. It's sampled it. See what it. Maybe it was poppers.

Could have been poppers, babe. A gay and a non-gay is a podcast from James Barr and Dan Hudson. Two unlikely friends take on the world. Hello, welcome to a gay and a non-gay. I'm Dan Hudson. I'm not gay. I'm James Barr and I am gay. I'm so happy to welcome our guests today. barrister, author, according to Gay Times, he's one of the 10 South Asians that you need to know about. His book, A Deutiful Boy, A Memoir of a Gay Muslim's Journey to Acceptance is definitely one to gift a friend this Christmas. As the title suggests, it's a life-affirming read and you're going to get a lot out of this episode. Mustin Zeddy is on the show today.

Mossin, how you doing?

Yeah, good thanks.

I'm also gay and I also think that there are probably more than 10 South Asians you're

like.

Welcome to a gay and a non-gay.

Yeah. non-gay we both love your book and obviously it made me cry a lot I don't know so much about Dan did you shed a tear

yeah I wish I tell you when I nearly did

Mawson and it's this line here about your family. The thing about superheroes is that they have a weakness. If they were invincible, there would be no point. What made them so special was that they found a way to overcome the kryptonite, not that they didn't have it in the first place. What a line. What a line. You know, growing up, one of the things that I write about earlier is my love of

Superman. I think I've always been kind of obsessed with superheroes, I guess on some level,

because when you grow up as the other, you do your best to try and be one, right? Because superheroes

are these people who are, they're different in some way, and they are ostracized and closed off

from everybody else. I mean, that's kind of part of the narrative. But you feel different. And so I really tried to work hard to be the best version of myself because of it. And so I became obsessed with this idea of what it means to be a good person and what does it mean to be superhuman? And I think it's so easy for us to assume that that's perfection all the time.

And then when I was thinking about my parents, and actually that line speaks to the story, right?

If the story had been, I came out to my mum and dad and they threw me a party,

you know, the book would have been about two chapters long and nobody really cared.

The beauty in the story lies in the struggle

that my parents had, but were able to overcome because of the love of their child. I mean,

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