What up ladies, I'm Lisa Billew and you're listening to Women of Impact and I'm going to hit you with a stat that will give you a gut punch, but it will wake you up. If you've dated more than 20 people, likely it is, there's a damn good chance you've trusted a psychopath and never even realized it. Yep, that's right, you heard me the odds aren't in our favour and while we like to think that we're the exception, we know exactly how to spot the signs because of course you listen to this show. This conversation, this one right here today may actually save you for being the next target. Now today I'm sitting down with the one, the only the world's top human behaviour, expert and body language fricking expert in the world, Mark Bowden. I have been waiting for this man to come on the show for years, and today we'll break down exactly how to spot manipulation, whether it's from a potential partner, a colleague or that too nice stranger in the elevator. Now here's what's coming up in this episode that you cannot miss. The five sneaky ways you can spot a liar, yet this is the exact checklist that you can use before you give away your trust. Then we go into why grief, anger or concern, looks nothing like Hollywood tells you, and how the movies have actually set us up for disaster in spotting signs of psychopathy and narcissism. So you gotta stay for this one because we're to stop buying into the BS that literally movies have led us astray. And then we go into how manipulative people twist your words, mess with your memory, and make you question your own damn reality. And by the end of this episode, you'll know exactly how to read body language like a human behavior expert. So take notes, queer girlfriends, do whatever you gotta do, grab your cup of tea, your coffee, because we are going right there, right now, here on Women of Impact. One in 20 people have psychopathic traits according to a recent study. So if you've dated more than 20 people, there's a good child you've already met and trusted one. So as one of the top human-behaved experts in the world, help teachers how to spot signs of a psychopath before it's too late, starting with the infamous psychopath Chris Watts. And just in case people don't know who Chris Watts is, so Chris Watts appeared to be the quite devoted family man until his pregnant wife Shannon and their two young daughters vanished after he started an affair with a coworker. He went on TV begging for their return while hiding the horrifying truth. He had murdered all three of them and dumped his daughter's bodies in old tanks at his job site. What's later confessed and is now serving multiple life sentences. So let's play the clip. Yeah, eight. Okay, just hold it there. Wow, didn't even say anything. Look at his forehead. Oh. Yeah? Now, imagine one of your family members, somebody you love has gone missing. Yeah. Yeah? What's happening in your forehead? Oh, I mean, my whole face is there. You're doing grief right now. Now you're doing concern. Now you get angry. Oh, sorry.

I'm going to get the people, okay?

There's nothing happening there.

Nothing in his forehead.

Not concern, not grief, not anger.

Now, there's something called Botox.

It could be Botox, but immediately I go,

where's the concern in the forehead? That's odd. That's odd. What else would you look at to see if there's congruency or non-congruency with no wrinkles in the forehead? So there's no grief in the eyes either. So I was looking for grief in the forehead, at least Anger, like I'm gonna and get the perpetrator. You know, kids and wife have gone, that's a problem, fix the problem. So we should be getting agitation, like let's get on with this, let's get going. But this person has all their attention. The nostrils at the moment seem a little flared. What does that mean? It's not already angry, but it's not showing in the forehead and the eyes are targeted.

Doesn't like the interview. Oh. Doesn't like the, these top teeth and bottoms showing. Oh, I've asked you. It's almost like his jaws a little slack. So if I do that, I'm starting to feel angry with you. Oh. Now why am I angry with an interview?

You're here to help.

So I'm not angry with you. Oh, no. So you're helpful for the little bit of time that we're going to do this interview and then I'm gone. Right. Yeah. Wow, dude, all from one still freaking image. Let's see. Let's see how this develops. Okay. keep pressing play actually. In your book you talk about the five things that we need to keep an eye on

when we're trying to detect lies so I'd love to kind of go... see how this develops. Okay, before we keep pressing play actually, in your book, you talk about the five things

that we need to keep an eye on when we're trying to detect lies. So I'd love to kind of go through them and then see if we can apply that to this. So you say number one, listen to their story and if it keeps changing. Oh yeah, okay. Number two, listen for pronoun shifts from I to we today. Yeah, okay. What does that then specifically mean?

Who is the cause of this problem?

Okay.

Yeah.

Is it a group thing?

Yeah, okay. What is that then specifically me? Who is the cause of this problem? Okay. Yeah. Is it a group thing? Yeah. Is it their problem? Is it my problem? Like, does that keep shifting? Be like, well, we were out going for a walk. They wandered off. They're missing. So why the shift? Why did it suddenly become their fault? Yeah, so we can see whether this is describing this, where is there a responsibility? Is there a blame getting laid somewhere? Okay, so then we've got number three. Listen for any change of past to present tense. Yes, so often people will disrupt the story or change the story Because the tense changes. Okay, it's a number four. Listen for whether they use oaths, euphemisms or illusions. Yeah, so an oath would be, look, you know, God forbid that, you know, look, God's truth, you know, I don't know what happened to them.

So I, okay, you've got God involved.

No. So we were okay. We don't, like, like, what? What? It's God is my witness. Oh. Oh, you've got God is, oh, God's your co-signer. Oh, well, if God's your co-signer, then no, sorry. You're nothing to do with it. So what about people that say like, on my mum's grave?

On my mum's grave, I am co-signing this on my mum's grave.

Oh my god, you're so awesome.

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