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1/4: A Future in Flames by Danielle Clode (Author)

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 28 December 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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1/4: A Future in Flames by Danielle Clode (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Future-Flames-Danielle-Clode/dp/0648140776?ref_=ast_author_dp

ire has shaped the Australian landscape and the lives of Australians for thousands of years—and will continue to do so as the climate changes. For all our advances in prevention and prediction, planning and communication, bushfires keep claiming our lives and our homes. How can we avoid another Ash Wednesday or Black Saturday?Danielle Clode has lived in the bushfire danger zone and studied the past and recent history of fire management and fire-fighting. Here she tells the complex story of Australia’s relationship with fire, from indigenous practices to country fire brigades and royal commissions—as well as her own story of living with the threat of fire. A Future in Flames is a vivid history, a sombre reflection and an invaluable guide for living and dealing with fire.

1905 New Zealand

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We're with Captain Cook off the coast of what will become Australia.

0:48.0

The Captain records in his log, he sees a smoking cape.

0:55.0

This moment in history is a way of talking about a phenomenon that is worldwide and that challenges civilization in the northern hemisphere, Greece, Spain, Italy,

1:09.3

in the southern hemisphere, especially Australia, but Argentina and Chile, wildfires, they're called in

1:16.2

California, bushfires are called in Australia. A new book that is an old book, a book that is necessary now and was necessary when it was

1:26.0

written a dozen years ago. A future in flames. Daniel Clode is the author. Daniel is very generous to come back after I interviewed her about her wonderful

1:36.6

new book, Kowalas, and in the course of that conversation, we talked about the horror of

1:41.8

a wildfire over Kowal koas cling to their source of energy,

1:47.6

which is a eucalyptus tree.

1:49.7

And eucalyptus in a fire are very dangerous.

1:53.4

Daniel, I congratulate you for having anticipated the fate of the planet

1:59.2

a dozen years ago because we're now in a situation where wildfires we're told are going to become

2:06.2

routine, not rare, and perhaps every year there'll be damage to the environment, to the

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