1,000 days left until the "Final Collapse" | Emad Mostaque

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🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the coming “intelligence inversion” with Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet and former CEO of Stability AI. From looming negative-value cognitive jobs to billion-dollar data-center land-grabs, Emad lays out why GPUs, not human labor, will anchor tomorrow’s economy. He explains how plunging token costs push intelligence toward “too cheap to meter,” why universal personal AIs must defend our interests, and how a dual-currency world could fund civic compute for healthcare, education, and social safety nets.

We explore the thousand-day countdown to workforce disruption, the math that dooms tax-funded UBI, and the promise of token-based systems that reward people simply for being human. Emad shares inside chatter from tech billionaires stockpiling servers, sketches an AI-driven “Star Trek” abundance scenario, and warns of an arms race where compute equals power.

Along the way we tackle simulation theory, latent-space economics, and the eerie elegance of generative-AI equations that may mirror the fabric of reality itself. Whether you’re a policy maker, startup founder, or just AI-curious, this conversation will challenge how you think about work, value, and humanity’s place in an automated future.

Hit play to find out why a self-driving, self-programming world is closer and weirder than you think.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Amad Mostak, CEO founder of intelligent internet. Formerly I was the CEO of
0:06.3	Stability AI, where we built open source models like stable diffusion that had about 300 million
0:11.2	downloads, video, audio, 3D code. Now I'm building civic AI, education, healthcare, government,
0:18.6	and more, and working on new economic theory for the
0:22.1	intelligence age, because we kind of need one.
0:24.4	Thank you so much for being here.
0:25.4	This is absolutely a dream come true for me, so thank you so much.
0:28.8	I'm very excited.
0:30.0	You know, one of the things that I've been worried about, I think a lot of people that watch
0:33.7	this channel have been nervous about, is kind of the transition as more and more AI takes over as the demand for human labor decreases.
0:43.0	I'm a little bit worried.
0:44.5	Worried about, you know, violence, job displacement, various political nonsense.
0:50.2	Can you kind of walk us through what your vision for that is as AI takes over and human labor becomes less in demand?
0:58.4	Yeah, it's going to be crazy, I think is the headline.
1:01.4	Like, this is the biggest shift we've ever seen.
1:04.5	I call it the intelligence inversion because we've had these things where, you know, it was all about the land and the people that you had as your productivity.
1:11.6	Then it was about your factories, you know, in the industrial age.
1:14.6	Then it was about your capital going into IP and networks with the Internet age.
1:20.6	Now you're at this point where people have been pivoting to cognitive labor to other things.
1:25.6	But where are you going to go when the AI is smarter than
1:30.0	you and can think and work longer and better than you? It doesn't make mistakes. It can scale
1:35.8	because it just scales by GPUs. It never sleeps. You know, it can have multiple work days.
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