I think passion is carries a lot of weight and almost more weight than it should because it can kind of freak people out and it's kind of set up this finality to it that can be really intimidating. I'm going to do. Hello and joining me as always is the lovely Gregun.

Lovely.

Hello and welcome to the future podcast.

I'm your host Christo and joining me as always is the lovely Greg Gunn.

Lovely interesting choice there but you know what I'll take it.

So what's going on today?

Today we're going to be talking to Philip Van Dusen.

He's got an intriguing career because much like myself he's lived most of his life as a

creative professional and then he got into creating content for YouTube.

So there's a lot of synergy between the things

that we're both doing.

Speaking of synergy between you two,

I think, Chris, if you were to grow a little soul patch

on your chin, you guys would look a lot alike.

I could draw one in, Greg. It won't be as thick as his. That should be our

our Instagram filter for the future that we make.

If Colonel Sanders had a cousin that was hip and into design

and lost a lot of weight,

I think that would describe what Philip Andeusant looks like.

So kindred spirits already.

Yes.

So what did you guys talk about?

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