Welcome to under the skin this week. I'm talking to Marianne Williamson the

personal development pioneer the spiritual well. Are we going to call her a spiritual leader?

She's certainly a very influential and powerful person. We talk about activism. We talk about the new

potential for a fusion of activism and politics, spirituality and politics, the empowerment of women,

embracing God and the spiritual. It's a fantastic conversation that took place at the

well spring well being festival that's put on by Wanda Lust. Thank you to them for providing

the facilities and environment. Do enjoy under the skin. Trying to achieve a quality with the

annihilation of category is not a successful route. That's exactly right. We're in this era where

it turns out we were never the fastest. What's beneath the surface of people we admire

are the ideas that define our time, the history we're told. Welcome to Russell Brand.

Under the skin.

Marianne Williamson thank you for joining me Russell Brand on Under the skin. We're having this

conversation at a wellness festival the well spring event. What obligation do you feel when

you're addressing an audience particularly in the field of personal development?

First of all thank you for having me. Oh right yeah thanks. I have always felt in my career a

profound sense of responsibility because when you are talking about spiritual issues you're

talking about someone psyche and people are holding a space for the possibility that you're

saying something that will deeply affect the way they look at the world and how they behave in

the world. So that has always seemed to me very serious. Today probably even more so because of

the state of the world and our need to rise to the occasion of saving our democracy and saving

our planet in time. When did you begin your journey in this area of personal and spiritual

development? How did it happen? I was always very interested in spiritual topics starting even

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