You're listening to Under the Skin with Russell Brand. This week we're speaking to the amazing

addiction specialist Gabo Mate. It's one of the best podcasts I've ever been involved with.

You're going to love it. If you want to see me live, you can in Bristol at the end of this month

November. I think it's the 26th of November. Do look at Russellbrand.com for details,

a show of Shakespeare monologues. And then the following week, first week of December, I'm in

Northampton. Check it out. It's a really good show. Small theaters intimate experience.

You'll love it. Today's Under the Skin has the amazing Gabo Mate as guest. I've just finished

interviewing him. I'm spanned out because the episode is so brilliant. It sort of goes all over

the show. He ends up at one point diagnosing politicians. Not in a kind of world this happened.

Well, he does actually. He talks about how their childhood trauma has likely made them highly

traumatised, damaged individuals that certainly shouldn't be running societies. And he does

name names. It's one of the most revered thinkers on the psychology of addiction. This is off the

back of his book. I'm ridden. He's radical findings of reframing how we all view human development.

It is actually a matter of fact. As a matter of fact, because he was able to apply the,

what I want to say, the framing of addiction to all kinds of social models. It was a bit like

sort of how Jordan Peterson uses psychiatry, psychology and his understanding of psychological

research to frame social and political interviews. Although I would say that Gabo Mate's worldview is

much more optimistic, benevolent, loving, perhaps, and you know that Jordan Peterson is a person

that's been on this podcast and who I enormously enjoy on a personal level. So this, I think,

is an interesting, informative, exciting, dense, intense podcast on the subject of addiction

and on the subject of how we can cope as damaged people in the world and we're all damaged people

and we're all in the world. So there is something for everyone. Also psychoanalysis of Barack

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