Hello, this is Russell Brand. Thanks for joining me on under the skin. Well, you're not on it. You're just listening to it

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performing in Bristol and Northampton a live show which I know you will enjoy.

Today I'm going to be talking to David Rudolf made famous as the public defender who defended Michael Peterson in the

Netflix documentary The Staircase a phenomenally successful documentary. It's a really great conversation. I really enjoyed it. I'll tell you a bit more about it

But first coming up over the next few weeks on under the skin we've got interviews with Deacarn Tony Robbins. Deacarn is actually hang out with your

haddies and clansmen and stuff. She's pretty amazing. Tony Robbins the personal development speaker blind boy out of the rubber band. It's

Marianne Williamson the philosopher personal development person. Loki the rapper. He's bloody good. Gabaw Mattie. Them lads the happy peer from Ireland. They're coming up soon. Also J. Shetty

Redmond Swamy to raise a chunk Candace Owens and a lot of people from as I say across the political spectrum. We've got some

interesting characters. You've got to check under the skin. You've got to subscribe to under the skin. You've got to stay with under the skin. Now on to David Rudolf. I found

her to be a very warm charismatic and lovely man like a lovely warm brown-eyed uncle. I actually didn't want him to go. He was most

illuminating on the staircase and the concept of justice more broadly. Not only criminal justice but social justice. I hope you enjoy this

podcast. It's a good one. Let us know what you think staying tucked with us on social media. See you later. Now it's time for

the skin. Trying to achieve a quality with the annihilation of category. Not successful. That's exactly right. We're in this era where it turns out we were never the

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Thanks for listening to under the skin. I'm here with David Rudolf David. I mean it will be a rare interview indeed that it doesn't

commence or at least to some degree attempt to exploit and understand your relationship with Michael Peterson. A staircase

component of your career. And I suppose this is no different. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. I appreciate that.

But how do you prefer to do it? Would you prefer that I sort of plow into the staircase or should I try to get a better

understanding of you as a human being? I mean, your in a sense isn't a lawyer a storyteller that has to construct an

appealing story. A story that's more appealing to a jury than the other story regardless of truth. I think a lawyer is not just a

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