Thanks for listening to Under the Skin with me Russell Brand in this episode on

talking to Charles Eisenstein. I like Charles Eisenstein a lot. He wrote a book

called Sacred Economics which postulated different economic models. It's a

world which was my supposed revolutionary and he talks about some of those in

this podcast ideas such as negative interest. The sort of now more popular certainly

in the internet world. Universal credit ideas or what is it? Universal basic

income, not universal credit, that's a controversial British welfare idea. So he's

an interesting cat you know. He's a Yale-trained professor of economics who's

gone rogue through psychedelics and what I would call enlightenment. It's

difficult to say these kind of things during the interviews and the

podcasts themselves but I've got a very good feeling from this man that he

had some radical and interesting ideas that are genuinely about changing the

world because as we discussed in the interview itself if the only ideas that

make it into the mainstream are ideas that do not affect the interests of the

powerful we cannot meaningfully change the world for the power less. I hope you

enjoy this episode. Thanks. Trying to achieve a quality with the annihilation of

category. No successful route. That's exactly right. We're in this era where it

turns out we were never the boss. That's a good black idea. What's beneath the

surface of people we admire the ideas that define our time, the history we

at all? Welcome to Russell Brand. And a whisky. Welcome to under the skin with me

Russell Brand and Charles Eisenstein. Charles I wanted to speak to you for a

while because I read sacred economics at the time that I myself was right in a

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