And then they came rushing in and said, you've got a bad break high up in your neck.

And it's what we call a commonuted fracture.

The bone is in a lot of different little pieces.

And one of them is very near your carotid artery.

And then the doctor said, we have a jet standing by to fly you to Denver if needed.

But if the carotid artery has been pierced, just between you and me, you're not going to make it to Denver.

I'm J.J. Heller. And I'm Dave Heller. And this is Instrumental.

In every episode, we explore the instrumental moments that made our guest who they are today.

We hope our conversation reminds you that every second matters, because none of us knows which

moment will be the one that changes everything.

Big world happens in the small moments.

Hey everyone.

There's no one left to address.

Can you say, hey, everyone, minus one?

I don't get it.

That way I can be like, hey, other guy.

The one who was left out. That way, I have someone to greet. Wow, Dave. I'm JJ. I'm her husband Dave. And we're so glad that you're

here with us today. We have a fabulous episode for you.

We got to talk to none other than Philip Yancey. If you're not familiar with Philip, he is a best-selling author who currently has more than 15 million books in print. I think it's safe to say

that he is widely read. That's right. He might be best known for his book, The Jesus I Never

Knew, and what's so amazing about grace. And what's really cool, Dave, is when I was in college, we actually,

for one of my theology classes, I read the Jesus I never knew as a textbook. And I remember

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