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029 – Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder – Elisabeth Kübler-Ross –Student Overwhelm

Counselling Tutor podcast

Kenneth Kelly

Education

4.8657 Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2017

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

In episode 29 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly discuss post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). 'Theory with Rory' takes a look at the life and work of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. Finally, the presenters discuss the feelings of overwhelm often faced by students of counselling and psychotherapy. PTSD Although the term 'PTSD' came into the psychotherapeutic lexicon following the Vietnam War, the phenomenon was recognised longer ago by other names, for example 'going Asian' following the Korean War, and 'soldier's heart' or 'shellshock' in the Second World War. PTSD is experienced by people who have been in very stressful situations (not just in the military) where they believed their or others' lives were at serious threat. It is a very debilitating condition, which can vary in severity. Although our role as counsellors is not to diagnose mental-health conditions, we may suspect a client is suffering from PTSD if feelings of terror are triggered by certain situations or senses (e.g. the smell of diesel or sound of fireworks). In this case, a referral to the GP (with the client's permission) is recommended. Current treatments include medication, and eye movement desensitisation and reprocessing (EMDR). Also, clients are often hugely comforted by knowing that what they are going through is normal given the situation they have experienced. For more on this important topic, see Rory's lectures in the Counselling Study Resource (CSR), including one on brain plasticity.   Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Born in 1926 in Zurich, Switzerland, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross developed a strong social and work ethic from an early age. Later qualifying from Zurich Medical School, she moved to the USA to train as a psychiatrist. There, she also received training in psychoanalysis. Horrified by seeing how dying patients were treated in hospital, she began to give lectures to students to help them understand how terminally ill patients were experiencing end-of-life care. Her desire to educate people about death and dying continued, and Kübler-Ross developed seminars based on qualitative interviews with terminally ill people. This work led to her psychological hypothesis on the process of dying, sometimes known as 'the five stages of grief' or 'DABDA': Denial - 'It's not really happening.' Anger - 'Why me? It's not fair.' Bargaining - 'I will alter my lifestyle; that will make things right.' Depression - 'I'm so sad; why bother?' Acceptance - 'I can't fight it; I may as well prepare for it.' Although this model has gained wide acceptance in the world of counselling and psychotherapy, it has also incurred a number of criticisms, for example: that it was developed as a model of dying, but has since been applied to bereavement too that it may not fit all clients (some of whom may go through the process in a different order, miss a stage, or even not experience any of the stages) that it may encourage counsellors to be prescriptive and apply the model rigidly, rather than seeing clients as having their own unique experiences that how people deal with death and dying is environment-dependent. Kübler-Ross will be remembered for her pioneering work in the field of loss and grief, her care for people with AIDS, and her contribution to founding the hospice movement. She also wrote many books, perhaps most notably On Death & Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy & Their Own Families. Kübler-Ross died in 2004 in Arizona. Rory has written a useful handout on the life and work of Kübler-Ross; he is also planning a lecture on complicated grief, which is expected to be available in the CSR in early 2017. Student Overwhelm Counsellor training can be a time of great stress, with the workload of assignments, placement and supervision as well as possible problems in relating to other students on your course and to your tutors....

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast.

0:04.4

The must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

0:10.6

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:15.9

Hello and welcome to episode 29 of the Counseling Tutor podcast.

0:20.4

And across the mixing studio desk is my good

0:25.5

friend and colleague in all things counselling mr ken callie how you doing ken i'm very well thank you

0:31.3

rory absolutely delighted to be here and i'm going to hit it right back at you and say how are you

0:36.4

today rory very well ken i have i Ken. I have a cup of tea.

0:41.2

Oh, you see, now this is how we differ as people and in our approaches, I guess,

0:46.4

because I've got a cup of coffee.

0:50.4

We'll have to start our own modality of beverage, aren't we?

0:53.4

I could be the psychodynamic tea drink and you could be the humanistic coffee supper maybe. Indeed. And we've got a great mixed bag talking about mixed drinks in the episode today. Episode 29, we're going to be starting off speaking about PTSD. That's, I guess, a topic that comes up again and again and

1:13.7

again. And it's not covered maybe in as much depth as it could be. And when it is covered,

1:19.5

there's often conflicting ideas around that. So we're going to be having a look at that.

1:24.7

Theory with Rory, a really interesting one today. We're going to be looking

1:27.7

at the theory of Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. Can you give us kind of a bit of a taster, Rory, of what

1:32.0

you're going to be sharing with us? Yeah, I'm going to be sharing a model that's taught in a lot of

1:37.1

counselling provision, a lot of counselling courses, called the Dabda model of loss and grief, which was pioneered by a Swiss American

1:48.6

psychologist called Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. I'm going to discuss it, and it's not just one that's

1:55.3

promoted within counselling courses, it's promoted in the healthcare profession in general.

2:01.5

And I'm going to tell you a little bit about its history, a little bit of how it's useful,

2:05.8

not just for grief, but for other losses. And also tell you a little bit about its limitations.

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