Hello, you're listening to Under the Skin, where I, Russell Brand, ask what's beneath the surface of people we admire of the ideas that define our time, the history we're told.

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Now, me, Clyde, is an all-fast social activist and filmmaker known for political analysis and criticism of corporate globalization. Her books include No Logo, The Shop, Doctrine,

and This Changes Everything, which was a New York Times bestseller. She frequently appears on global and national list of top influential thinkers. One occasion, Higher Up The Me, which was infuriating. And in 2016 was awarding probably all the occasions, after the end of the time I've been on the list.

And in 2016 was awarded the Sydney Peace Prize for Activism on Climate Justice. Her new book, which we'll be talking about in some depth, is No is Not Enough.

The quote here is, this is a look at how we arrived at this surreal political moment, how to keep it from getting a lot worse, and how if we keep our heads, we can flip the script.

So, primarily in this book, No is Not Enough, you're talking about Trump and what Trump epitomizes and what Trump is perhaps a symptom of.

Is that something that you can pray see in this new audio form?

I can try. It provides great to be with you.

I should have done some of that.

You could.

Well, I'd really love you. I think you're a really beautiful person. I think you're a bodhisattva to use a bodhis term, a person that's helping other people to enlightenment perhaps at the expense of her own.

What do I want to say?

Well, yeah, that's actually, I think the price. Like they say that there's people that could go over if they want it, but they go, no, no, stick around here for a while, try and help other people over.

So that's quite a good compliment. I remember with great affection, the previous times that we've met the first time when I was in an erratic metropolitan world wind of romance with my,

my future wife and having just in fact interviewed Donald Trump, primarily motivated then by this curious impulse that I had of like, how is this guy so rich when to me?

He seems like he's an idiot.

That's why I couldn't understand. Of course, I understood that someone had given him his money father, but then, but then, but meeting him, I kept probing him and sort of thinking, what is it?

How have you got this money? What's going on?

And that was before he was president of the, you know, we didn't know that he was merely a man in the ascent at that point.

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