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Hello and welcome to the B-side for episode 17 of our national conversation about

conversations about race, the Carson-Bolly's episode. I'm Barretum Day Thurston, and I'm kind of back.

What's up, y'all?

I'm here with my co-discussing, Raquel Sepeda.

What up? What up?

Welcome.

Thank you so much. Good to be back.

Tanner Colby.

Hello, sir. You were missed.

Hello. I like being missed.

Thank you so much. I miss you guys too. Only having you in my ears is a little weird. And we have a special guest joining us today. New York Times magazine writer Jay Kang. What's up, Jay? Hey, how's it going? Is that poetry? No, no, no. It's like a Buddhist saying. Oh, what does it say? It says, shine your shoes for the fat lady.

That's so cool.

And for those who are not in the room,

Raquel's asking about a tattoo on Jay's forearm.

Yeah.

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