All right, welcome listeners to episode 124 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast co-host, and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam other bell. Hey, Sam.

Hi, Matt. I was so excited to record this episode because our conversation was with a guest that has been on the podcast before, but not when I've been on the podcast. It's some deep cut Sam

solo episodes, you know, the Jerry Garcia band of No Your Enemy. Wow, that's the most

flattering thing you could possibly say. I meant to flatter you. You could have said it's like

Phil Lesh and Friends or Wolf Parade or whatever.

Well, you know if I went to Phil Lesh, that would be a put-down.

So I went with Jerry.

God rest his soul, no offense to the Lesheds.

Anyway, our guest is Peter Beinart.

And I really, one reason I was looking forward to the conversation is I just find Peter so smart and interesting and also such a thoughtful religious model of, you know, someone who is religious in the public,

political square, making arguments. I really admire that about him. And in some ways, it's a kind of

posture and ethos. I hope to emulate to the extent I can. So I was just, he's someone I've long wanted to have a conversation with. And boy, we did have one, didn't we say him? Yeah, that's right. Well, Peter Biner, for people who don't know him, he's an editor at large at Jewish Courants. He's written several books. Most recently, a book called Being Jewish

After the Destruction of Gaza, A Reckoning, which came out beginning of this year. Peter was also,

we talk about this at the end of the episode. He was a kind of like wonderkind at the New Republic

in the 1990s and in the, well, in the aughts during the lead-up to the Iraq War, you know,

there's two things that I find really interesting about Peter. In addition to what you just said,

which I think is so true about Peter, that he kind of, he wears his religiosity and relates it

to his politics in a really unapologetic way, in a way that does remind me of the way that

you relate your politics to your faith.

The other thing about Peter that is also like you is that he's changed his mind in a pretty

significant way about several things. You know, he editorialized on behalf of the Iraq War when he

was at TNR and we ended up talking about that with Peter at the end of the episode, but he's also

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