Welcome everybody to this episode of Mysterious Circumstances.

This is a Zodiac Update episode because the same day I'm dropping this episode is the

same day that a bunch of news just broke. I basically wanted to do an update with

Jen to help explain exactly what is in the news and what's going on and help

explain some of the DNA talk as well. So Jen, I appreciate you joining me again.

How are you doing? Not a problem. I'm glad to be here and I hope that we can

bring some clarification for you know for people who aren't really trained or

well-versed in forensics and DNA. Absolutely. So I guess with that being said, help me explain

like what's going on with the press release. What do you know? Because you were going

to be doing a presentation on this. So you are way more familiar with it than I am. You

have the inner and outer workings of it. I will do my best. If everything goes as planned,

today when this episode drops there will have been a press release that went out to all

the major news networks this morning talking about new DNA evidence in the Zodiac case.

This is something we've been working on for at least two years even longer than when

the last big press release came out in October 2021. Obviously we've been doing all this

behind the scenes with strict confidentiality agreements but since the press release has

now dropped we can talk a lot more about what's going on from the DNA aspect. There's

been so much skepticism and criticism from people some who are well-vested in the Zodiac case.

They've got their own suspects. Even people who don't know the Zodiac case that well because

everyone's like, I don't have any DNA. As we explained previously, there's a now retired

news anchor named Dale Joulin and I'm just going to give listeners a background because

probably not everybody knows this. So I got a backtrack a little bit. About three and

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