This is Happy Place and I'm Fern Cotton. This is the podcast where we try to

understand what's going on in other people's heads in the hope we can learn

something about what's happening in ours. I'm absolutely loving making this

series because it's a real personal mission. It's such a joy to work on every

element of this series and one of the best bits is working out who I'm going to

talk to and how on earth I'm going to get hold of them. It's been really

heartening reaching out to people like Paloma Faith and Dawn French and

asking the questions I've always wanted to ask and hopefully that the

questions that you would have asked to. It's also really wonderful for me to be

able to reach out to talk to very wise and brilliant friends. So today we're

talking to a great mate of mine. You won't have heard of her but her story is

every bit as compelling as you've heard so far. You have to trust me on this but

Zephyr Waldman is going to stay with you for a very long time. Just sitting

with undesirable feelings is a great practice. It's creating some sort of grit or

heat and just sit with it because you'll learn.

Now a big thank you to Fever Tree for sponsoring this episode of Happy

Place. When you think of Fever Tree you might conjure up gorgeous images of

gin and tonics and long summer evenings in the garden. Yes please but they also

have a delicious new sparkling soft drinks range which I absolutely adore

because they're equally perfect for relaxing summer evenings in the garden.

There's an incredible ginger beer which is made from three gingers so it really

does have a wicked spicy old kick to it but still tastes super fresh and then

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