Zach Dorfman on “Spy Valley: An Engineer’s Nuclear Betrayal”
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🗓️ 23 August 2023
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
In May 1984, former U.S. Marine, engineer, and early Silicon Valley entrepreneur James Harper was sentenced to life in prison for his central role in an audacious scheme to sell a bevy of classified documents relating to U.S. missile defense to the Soviet bloc and its allies. Four decades later, his story was almost forgotten, until it was rediscovered and investigated by national security reporter Zach Dorfman with help from some of the men who helped catch Harper—and the spy himself. Now, with help from our friends at Goat Rodeo, Dorfman has turned this story into a six-part podcast series entitled “Spy Valley,” which takes a close look at Harper's seminal spy case. Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Dorfman to talk over Harper's story and what it can tell us about the relationship between America's national security and those working at the bleeding edge of technological development.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:30.6 | You know, if you talk to kind of intelligence folks today, you know, there is a sense that |
| 0:39.9 | they feel sometimes that folks in the valley don't understand the national security implications |
| 0:44.7 | of the work that they do because they just exist in a place where they want to sell. |
| 0:50.5 | You know, they want to get bought out or sell and they don't, you know, there's a certain |
| 0:53.7 | cosmopolitanism here which can be really, really good and beneficial and open and wonderful |
| 0:58.9 | and a symbol of like what's best about America. But there's also this side where, you know, |
| 1:05.4 | there's a sense in which it's untethered from the kind of exigent national security concerns |
| 1:10.6 | of the day and interstate competition. And so Harper I think provides a great example |
| 1:14.8 | of like a worst case scenario for how that culture can go really, really sour. |
| 1:22.5 | I'm Scott Anderson and this is the LawFair podcast for August 23rd, 2023. |
| 1:27.3 | In May 1984, former US Marine engineer and early Silicon Valley entrepreneur James Harper |
| 1:33.1 | was sentenced to life in prison for his central role in audacious scheme to sell a bevy of |
| 1:38.1 | classified documents relating to US missile defense to the Soviet block and its allies. |
| 1:42.8 | Four decades later, his story was almost forgotten until it was rediscovered and investigated |
| 1:47.4 | by national security reporter Zach Dorfman with help from some of the men who helped catch |
| 1:51.1 | Harper and the spy himself. Now with help from our friends at Goat rodeo, Dorfman has |
| 1:56.1 | turned this story into a phenomenal six part podcast series entitled Spy Valley, which |
| 2:00.9 | takes a close look at Harper's seminal spy case. Earlier this week, I sat down with Dorfman |
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