Unpacking Cyber Diplomacy with Ambassador Nathalie Jaarsma
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🗓️ 24 August 2023
⏱️ 54 minutes
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This week, the UN ad hoc committee tasked with elaborating a cybercrime convention is meeting in New York. Delegates will be involved in in-depth negotiations of the draft convention, ahead of the concluding session in January 2024. The cybercrime convention is only one of many initiatives in the growing field of cyber diplomacy. Looming over this work is a big question: Is there enough common ground to pave the path for consensus?
Lawfare’s Fellow in Technology Policy and Law Eugenia Lostri sat down with Ambassador Nathalie Jaarsma, the Netherlands Ambassador at-Large for Security Policy and Cyber. They discussed the tensions plaguing the cyber negotiations in the UN, how diplomacy can help ensure accountability for malicious state behavior in cyberspace, and how to think about progress in the field.
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| 1:53.2 | August 24, 2023. This week, the UN ad hoc committee tasked with elaborating a cybercrime |
| 2:01.2 | convention is meeting in New York. Delegates will be involved in in-depth negotiations |
| 2:07.5 | of the draft convention ahead of the concluding session in January 2024. |
| 2:14.0 | The cybercrime convention is only one of many initiatives in the growing field of cyber |
| 2:18.8 | diplomacy. |
| 2:20.8 | Loving over this work is a big question. Is there enough common ground to pave the path |
| 2:26.5 | for consensus? To talk about the evolution in the field of cyber diplomacy, I sit down |
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