This episode is kept to co. I keep asking the same question. Does your spiritually

transformative experience matter? Well, does it Jody Foster? Wait a minute, let me get this

straight. You admit that you have absolutely no physical evidence to back up your story.

Yes. You admit that you very well may have hallucinated this whole thing.

Yes.

You admit that if you were in our position,

you would respond with exactly the same degree of incredulity and skepticism.

Yes.

Then why don't you simply withdraw your testimony

and concede that this journey to the center of the galaxy,

in fact, never took place.

Because I can't.

I had an experience.

I can't prove it. I can't even explain it.

But everything that I know is a human being, everything that I am tells me that it was real.

Okay, well, does it, Dr. Yvonne Kaysen?

This is what I'm getting to, is that I don't want to hear about the different kinds of near-death experiences.

What I want to know is what is going on in these extended realms. How are we supposed to understand them?

And how are we supposed to understand the information that's coming back from these extended realms?

I'm offering a vocabulary as a starting point. I'm not saying it's the be all and the end all.

It's just as I started as a young doctor, because I started having, as you mentioned, my first NDE started when I was five, one when I was 11.

You know, I started having out-of-body experiences. I started seeing spirits and ghosts when I was a child after my near-death experience, which we now know is a common after effect.

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