This episode is Skeptico, a show about rules and lessons.

When to go against him?

See, I'm not a monster.

I'm just ahead of the curve.

You have all these rules and you think they'll save you.

And when maybe to follow them?

It's almost like these are lessons that we've already got inside of us and it really synchronized with what I believed even before I had my near-death experience.

First clip, of course, was from The Dark Night, and the second was from today's guest,

Vincent Tolman, who joined me to talk about his remarkable near-death experience and what he

learned as a result of it. Stick around. You'll see that I push Vinny a little bit, but he is

more than up for it, and I really appreciate what he's bringing

here. Welcome to Skeptico, where we explore controversial science and spirituality. I'm joined

today by Vinnie Tolman, the author of The Light After Death, which, let me get this, is the stunning

true story of Vincent's experience on the other side of

death and the ten principles he was taught while traveling to heaven and what he saw when he

arrived. Vinnie, welcome. Thanks for joining me. Yeah, thanks so much, Alex. I'm really happy to be here,

happy to be a part of us.

Great. Well, you know, I am too, because we had this rather extensive email exchange, you know.

I kind of, no, it was really great. Very open. And I really appreciate that. You know, I kind of told you

initially, I didn't think this was the right fit because

I've been doing this for a long time. And I don't really do the near-death experience

story kind of interviews, you know, because I'm more interested in the science. I'm more

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