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The Lawfare Podcast

YouTube Influencers and the Chinese Government

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🗓️ 2 February 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Last month, the New York Times ran a story about YouTube videos promoting tourism to China and promoting messages sympathetic to the Chinese government. The accounts are a part of a broader network of profiles on Twitter, YouTube and other social media, spreading pro-Beijing narratives. To talk through the story and what to make of the accounts, Jacob Schulz sat down with one of the story's authors, Paul Mozur, a reporter at the New York Times, and Darren Linvill, an associate professor at the University of Clemson. They talked through who exactly these accounts are, what messages they promote and how to think about what impact they're having.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:33.9

The goal here isn't necessarily to reach me.

0:39.2

I doubt most Americans have even seen a lot of the content we've been discussing or are

0:47.0

aware of it.

0:48.4

But it's to give legitimacy to the conversations the China wants to have and it's to make the

1:00.0

world appear a certain way to their own audience.

1:05.3

Whether that's people living in China or the Chinese diaspora, they want the West to

1:11.8

look somewhat less legitimate than they would otherwise and make their own forms of government

1:17.5

and their own economic systems appear better.

1:20.5

You never want the grass to be greener on the other side for your own people.

1:24.5

And I think this was true with Chinese and Iranian and other states as well.

1:31.5

I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast February 2, 2022. You might have noticed

1:40.0

a strange story in the New York Times last month about Western's running YouTube accounts,

1:44.8

promoting tourism to China and also certain narratives favorable to the Chinese government.

1:50.4

The YouTube accounts are a part of a broader network of accounts on Twitter, on YouTube

1:55.4

and on other social media, promoting messages sympathetic to the Chinese government.

2:01.0

To talk through the news story and what to make of the accounts, I sat down with one of

2:05.7

the stories authors, Paul Moser, a reporter at the New York Times, and Darren Linville,

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