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🗓️ 4 February 2025
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What do you do if ICE comes to your door? How will Trump enforce his anti-trans orders? Are there risks to podcasting in the age of Trump? You asked some really dark questions, and we have answers.
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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.
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0:00.0 | Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this subscriber-only episode of 5 to 4, |
0:10.7 | Peter, Riannon, and Michael are taking your questions. As the second Trump administration continues |
0:16.6 | to wreak havoc, the White House and its allies are testing the limits of their power, by ignoring |
0:21.9 | existing laws, and pretending the Constitution is just a set of suggestions. Peter, Rhee, and Michael |
0:28.2 | can't save you. But they can tell you what would happen if the Supreme Court overturned same-sex |
0:33.2 | marriage, and what to do if ICE agents show up at your workplace, and how to protect yourself |
0:38.3 | against the paralyzing effects of panic and despair. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much |
0:44.4 | the Supreme Court and everything else sucks. Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have frozen our civil liberties like Donald Trump freezing the federal budget. |
1:01.1 | I'm Peter. I'm here with Michael. |
1:03.9 | Hey, everybody. And Riannon. |
1:05.6 | Hi, everybody. Imagine if Michael was the one that just said, e-e-e-k. |
1:13.0 | It's that scary, folks. |
1:15.3 | It is that scary. |
1:16.4 | Yeah, things are not good. |
1:17.2 | No. |
1:19.3 | No, we should get into it. |
1:19.9 | We should. |
1:22.0 | First of all, I would like to complain. |
1:30.2 | I've been woken up at the crack of dawn by my co-hosts to record a podcast at 10 a.m. Yeah, I was about to say, tell him what the crack of dawn is, Peter. Say it. It's 8 a.m. over here. When you record at 10, you have to get up at |
1:36.8 | nine. It's insane. All right. So we're doing a mailbag episode, and we got a couple questions about this. |
1:46.6 | And because it's so pressing, we do want to give a quick overview of the situation. |
1:51.2 | It's very much in flux. |
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