What is up everyone? Welcome back to the podcast. Kevin here. We're joined in our

final episode with Tom Piper, who is the award-winning director of five seasons,

a documentary that profiles Pete Odolf, who is a

world-renowned Dutch designer. And by now, as we've listened through the

week, you guys should know exactly who he is and hopefully you've checked out some of his work or

perhaps even thumb through some of his books or maybe ordered one I know I

certainly have done that so today Tom I thought what we could do is you said you visited Pete's private garden quite a few times,

seven to eight times, and I would love to know what is his, we've talked a lot about his

approach, his inspiration, his sort of philosophy, and as well as his

style, but I would love to talk a little bit more about what would you say his style, if you could quantify

it, of gardening actually is.

Sure. I mean I think it's now

I mean again I think there was a time when it was had sort of catchy names as it was emerging again from Northern Europe,

chiefly in Germany, Holland, Scandinavia but you know so it was like the new German movement new Dutch wave. and then a new

the new Dutch wave, new Dutch movement,

and then a new perennial movement, I think was a term,

and still gets used.

But it seems to me now now and especially since it's

kind of it's it's spread the globe you know people seem to refer to it as

naturalistic planting and that's sort of the term I hear the most and it's I think that at least gives enough of it a way that it's as we've talked about it's really inspired by nature and again I think this idea of nature I mean it's an interesting part of what I think the gardens do in general, the

gardens that are planted in Pete's style or his gardens in particular is it a really interesting

of what is nature and what is artificial or designed.

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