What's going on everyone? Kevin here from Epic Gardening. Welcome back to the show and the

podcast. We are joined by Tom Piper. He is the director of Five Seasons, which is a documentary profiling Pete Udolph. It's out in the US and

then if you're in the UK it will be out June 13th playing in London with a UK wide release later on in that weekend weekend.

So highly recommend you check it out.

So this whole week we've talked about Pete and his work and where it comes from.

We've even gone to a more philosophical level with it.

I'd love to bring it back now Tom down to the practical for a home gardener.

If they've been inspired maybe they've checked out some of Pete's work

after listening to a couple

of shows what are some tips that you think someone like me or a listener could

adapt down from you know this is a very lofty height that he's working at, right?

And us in our backyards, it's much different and perhaps it may even feel unattainable.

Is there something we can do that we can start scratching the surface of his approach.

Right, I think it's, I think the way in which, as we talked about last time, that idea of Pete's first visit to a North American

prairie and how that really changed his thinking about design, I mean as he says it's like that's the sort of essence of what he's trying to do and I think if there's any specific inspiration I mean there are

are you know he the one thing about peat is that he's really open about you know he in the

he's books that he publishes I mean he puts his designs out there and plant lists and it's

very sort of prescriptive about how he plants and there's nothing sort of

proprietary about it or he's not trying to keep secrets and so in that sense it's accessible in terms of being able to get the information but I think as as he says the essence of it is really working from your personal response to what you see and wherever that is and that's going to be obviously change depending on where you are in the world and what

your environment is and what access you have to sort of nature in quotations and I think the thing that I certainly took away from from

making the film and I think what can be most exciting for sort of people trying to bring some of

us into their planting in their own gardens is this idea that it's really you can work from your own kind of emotional response and

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