Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Isabel Hardman.

On this week's episode, we'll be discussing the winners and losers as Trump moves into the White House,

where Theresa May's Brexit strategy is headed, and whether you can wear fur, so long as the animal died in a snowstorm.

First up, the world's media is currently congregated

in Washington for the inauguration of Donald Trump as the 45th president of the United States.

But what will happen when Trump swears the oath of office, and what will it mean for the UK and

the rest of Europe? We had a peek behind the curtain this week, thanks to the Times' intrepid reporter Michael

Gove. But while we wait for the full reveal, I'm joined by the spectator's Deputy Editor

Freddie Gray and the BBC's Paul Wood, who are currently both in Washington, and by Kate Andrews,

a Republican commentator here in London. So, Freddie, does Trump understand the EU or Brexit,

or his attitudes towards him just

dictated by a kind of brash ignorance? I don't know. I think it's, I've given up speculating

on the inner workings of Trump's mind. I think they're one of the great mysteries of our time.

I think what's certain is he has an instinctive dislike of the EU. It stems largely from the fact that EU red tape

stopped him from developing his golf course at Dumbeg in Ireland. And I think he has an

instinctive sense that Brexit is a bit like a sort of British version of Braveheart, a wild populist

act that is very much in tune with him. He thinks that Brexit was the sort of

er-dove for the main course, which is Donald Trump. And why has there been this special

relationship historically? Kate, as an American in the UK, what is it about the two nations

as it's so harmonious? Well, I think that the war times that they've experienced together

have obviously

created that very deep bond, but also similarities in terms of culture, in terms of values, in

...